Tuesday, February 22, 2011

Forget the query go round - if you want to be published - start with indie

H.P. Mallory, D.B. Henson, and now (I can finally officially announce) Michael J. Sullivan prove that if you want to get traditionally published - start with self publishing.

The "old way" of traditional publisher meant hundreds of rejections from agents, months shopping it around to presses, and then a production schedule of 12 - 24 months. All in all, from day one of the query until the book is released, could reasonably take 3 - 4 years.

For years conventional wisdom said, "Don't self-publish because if you do, no traditional publisher will touch you." Well, that's NOT the way things are now. Not only are publishers interested in successful self-publishers - they are putting them on the fast track to release.

I just completed a full interview with D.B. Henson - and I'll make this my next post but her story dovetails so nicely into this one that I want to point out a few things.

D.B. Henson
Published a single book Deed to Death in April 2010 at $0.99 and it hit the top 100 in just a few short weeks after publishing. It's been in the top 10 for 257 days. On the day after Christmas she got a call from Noah Lukeman (if you don't know who he is -- tune in to the next post devoted to D.B. exclusively - but he is "the agent"). He had read her book, loved it and asked if she wanted to go traditional. She signed with him January 1 and after a quick bidding war Simon and Schuster has green lighted her release for July 2011. To have a book pushed through in 6-7 months is unheard of.

H.P. Mallory
Published 3-books on Kindle: Toil & Trouble, How to Kill a Warlock, and Fire Burn and Cauldron Bubble. She hit the #1 for Fantasy and was in the top 100 for a few weeks with Fire Burn. H.P. was approached by an agent in mid-December and after a bidding war Random House signed her to a multiple book six-figure deal for books that are not even written yet! They have already slated her for the Spring 2012 production time frame so another fast-track when you consider the books aren't even started.

Michael J. Sullivan (that wildly handsome and talented writer - kiss, kiss, honey)
Decided in Mid-October to "test the waters" about traditional publishing - his agent had 5 houses interested and Orbit (an imprint of Hachette Book Group) came out the winner. He also has a multiple book six-figure deal. While we "shook hands" in November we still don't have contracts to sign - but that hasn't stopped Orbit from fast-tracking the release of this series. story editing is done, covers should be ready next week, and copy editing is underway. Rather than releasing the books in a traditional 12 month or 18 month cycle they will be released in consecutive months - November 2011, December 2011, January 2012 - and we've not even put pen to paper.

There's a lot of people saying that if you are indie you should stay indie...and if all you care about is money, that is probably true. But each of these authors have weighed the pluses and minuses and decided that its worth seeing if the traditional publishers can make them household names. We'll be keeping our eyes on all of these people as their books are released and a year or so later we'll have a pretty good idea if they made wise decisions or not.

In any case, while they were self-published they each made tens of thousands of dollars, found tons of fans, and caught the eye of the traditional publishers without having to go through the humiliation of hundreds of rejections and years of waiting.

Food for thought.

171 comments:

corine said...

There is money and there is prestige. I wouldn't turn either down. Either way I like the idea of going Indie and taking back the power better than I like the apologetic, groveling, querying way that has been mine for the last few years.

Steven Whibley said...

Woot!! Congratulations guys! Wow, I knew you were in talks with a publisher for Michael's books, but this is really exciting news! It's just another part of the journey - take time to enjoy it. And what an great release schedule! I'm very excited for you guys!

Lisa Nowak said...

There are a lot of factors to weigh in deciding to go traditional after finding success as an indie. How much creative control the author gets to keep and how long it will take for the book to come out are a couple. There's also a lot to be said about having your book available on bookstore shelves nationwide. I think coming from an indie background gives authors bargaining power because it puts them on more equal footing with the publisher. Both parties know that the publisher is a convenience, not a necessity.

Lexi said...

Congratulations - I've been following the Kindleboards thread with interest.

This isn't happening yet in the UK, but it can only be a matter of time.

SlingWords aka Joan Reeves said...

Robin, thanks! I love to read posts like this! Congratulations to you and your DH.

I think this could be the best of both worlds.

Best wishes,
Joan Reeves

Robin Sullivan said...
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wannabuy said...

"To have a book pushed through in 6-7 months is unheard of."

In a word 'wow!'

2nd thought was 'about time!' ;)

Neil

Myne Whitman said...

Food for thought indeed. I'm glad I found your site.

Jeanne Tomlin said...

It's something everyone has to decide for themselves, and I would never criticise anyone who made your decision.

But I do have to disagree with the implication that an indie-published author can't become a household name. I suspect several of them are on their way to that.

And there are all the other issues to consider as well.

Robin Sullivan said...

@Jeanne - I thik there will always be "outliers" so yes a few self-published people will become "names". But as far as this being a path to that type of notoriety, I think the best bet is still going to be traditional.

Nancy Beck said...

I just saw the news about Michael inking a big trad deal (on Twitter) - happy for you! :-)

Tokrika said...

When I was a kid, I couldn't afford the books I wanted to read (still can't really- thank god for e-books). I would take the bus in to town and spend hours in the library every week just discovering new titles and names (I learned english in order to experience the story behind some nice cover-art).

With that in mind I think it's awesome that indies get print and distribution so that people all over the world who don't have access to, or knowledge of e-publishing can go to their library and make new discoveries to tell friends and family about. There was recently an article in a major norwegian newspaper about various authors and their road to publishing, and the general rule was that the more successfull ones were the ones that just wanted to get read. The ones who wanted to get rich fast were the ones who had been struggeling for decades.

I think your mr. Sullivan is one of those that primarily wants to get out there and be read (based upon statements made his blog), and so I'm sure his books will reach far and wide in no time at all, because you both seem willing to invest a lot in order to make that happen.

Garry G. said...

Well I’ve got the pile of ‘not for us’ rejection letters, and little else. I was beginning to think that nobody would ever be interested in anything I write. Then I bought an e-reader, downloaded some indi-books and though ‘I am doing as good as that,’ so as a bit of an experiment I released an older short-story for free on feedbooks… and it got to number 14 (out of 197) on their most downloaded list for short-stories within a few weeks, and one person even marked it as their favourite. Ok, it was free and it didn’t give me anything other than the knowledge that at least one person liked my work.
But it was enough to make me think about releasing the series of Novellas I’ve been working on to the e-market, I just want to get my name out there, and e-stuff gives that opportunity to everyone, be that a good or bad thing.
I wouldn’t like to think I was adding to the ‘self-published dross pile’ I’ve heard others refer to.

Jeanne Tomlin said...

What puzzles me is why you assume that Indie authors who sell 10,000s of thousands of novels and are on various bestseller lists won't become "household names". That made me scratch my head. I don't think it holds up under examination.

Now it won't get you in bookstores. I think there are reasons for going your route and I don't mean to criticize. But I do seriously question the implication of that comment.

Robin Sullivan said...

Hey Jeanne... there are a few reasons I think that.

#1-despite the fact that myself (and many that read this blog) are comfortable buying books online and use ereaders - a VAST number of people do not. I come across people all the time who tell me they don't buy online. And since this group is a minority (though they feel like a majority because birds of a feather) flock etc. So I think there will be a large number of people who are not exposed to those that are "only digital".

#2 - The publishing industry is not interested in indies (for the most part). This is not just the big-six publishers (who would like to pretend they don't exist) but extends to reviewers, magazines, newspapers, and things like the NYT bestselelrs lists (that excludes self-published authors - though a few have "slipped on). In general the people who generate the buzz in the industry don't help to propel indies.

Starting in July watch for D.B. Henson's name verses Amanda Hocking's name. Amanda has sold 5 - 8 times as many books as D.B. but she is not known outside of the "echo chamber". With a "mover and shaker" like Noah Lukeman sterring D.B's career she'll get more press than someone like Amanda.

I know Amanda got a USA Today article and a local affiliate of NBC did a story on her - but I think D.B. will be on the Today Show, Good Morning America, and will be entered (and winning) major awards (that Amazda doesn't have access to) that will make her break out first.

I may be totally wrong - this is just my opinon. But I think the "machine" and "infrastructure" needed for "star power" is in the hands of people who WANT to ignre indies so they don't get access that is required.

Again just my 2 cents worth.

J. R. Tomlin said...

God knows, you may be right, Robin. I've been proven wrong in every guess I've made so far.

But with indies slipping through in the NYT bestseller list(Victorine Lieske being the latest) and having a major presence in the USA Today list, I don't think that is something that can last. But, needless to say, I'm wildly guessing so I strongly suggest no one take MY advice on it.

Or for that matter next year, the EPIC Awards and others that don't exclude indies may gain prominence the way indies have in the last year.

I understand your reasoning, though, now that you explain it.

Robert said...

Another successful author walks away from a book deal with a major publisher, offering an enticing advance, because he resents getting screwed on ebook royalties. Terrill Lee Lankford has decided instead to try self-publishing, and he confirms everything that you've been posting about here on this topic, Robin.

Even worse for the Big 6 publishers, he wrote his protest in Publishers Weekly, the industry bible.

Worth a read.

-- Robert Bidinotto
RobertTheWriter.com

Robin Sullivan said...

Hey Robert I saw this post (or the same text on a different site - can't remember. I do think it will take quite a few authors voting with their feet to make the 25%/75% change occur. See my post on the Biggest Danger to Publishing.

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